Marketing is fun and these 2 guys who have experienced all sides
of it in the trenches bring that in each and every podcast. One
comes with a data background, while the other focuses more on
the creative. Together, they both love Top Gun way too much.

Expect insight and laughter as they take you through marketing
industry news and best practices in the most unique way possible.
Hosted by Chief Marketing Officer Jeff Baker, whose research has been
featured on Moz, and Director of Marketing (Family Reach) Francis Ma, who has more
than 10 years of experience working with creatives and clients.

Recent Episodes

August 12, 2019

Tommy Griffith on starting a $100k side project and vaporware college degrees

It’s a bad business idea, that’s what. But it was an important one for guest Tommy Griffith, founder of ClickMinded, to have had. Hear Griifith’s fascinating tale in the latest podcast.

May 2, 2019

Eyes on the enterprise, guys

From opposing continents, Jeff & Fran pick the brain of Eli Schwartz.

April 9, 2019

The future is bright, once you know who to work with

Nick Eubanks joins ATF to discuss prospect pricing and natural (client) selection.

April 3, 2019

Forget the funnel, feel the wheel

Rand Fishkin’s 97-slide presentation provides forward-looking validation for Fran & Jeff, reunited after a painful separation.

March 19, 2019

Shady snippets, AI’s advance and the position-zero armageddon

In other words, your standard conspiratorial hour with the ATF team.

March 4, 2019

Considering a new SEO world order

Francis & Jeff explore a Google-less dystopia, and other internet disparities.

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Headliner Videos

Photo Library

The Brafton Team

Jeff Baker

CO-HOST AND
DATA DUDE

Sarah Cugini

CHIEF BURN
OFFICER

Lauren Fox

EP AND ARTIFICIAL
INTELLIGENCE POLICE

Annie Keller

UNDERCOVER
ATF DEALER

Molly Ploe

LEAD
LURKER

Andrew Barks

LIL'
SHADEMASTER

Courtney Meyer

DIGITAL DESIGN
NINJA

AJ Muffett

A/V CLUB
PRESIDENT

Above the Fold

... and below your expectations.

(A marketing podcast)